<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Wp-Spamfree &#8211; Banish Comment Spam</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/</link>
	<description>Not Just Another Blog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:58:35 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1-RC1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Dries</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75852</link>
		<dc:creator>Dries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75852</guid>
		<description>Tried Mollom yet to block spam?  See http://mollom.com.  A Wordpress plugin was made available recently at http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-mollom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried Mollom yet to block spam?  See <a href="http://mollom.com" rel="nofollow">http://mollom.com</a>.  A Wordpress plugin was made available recently at <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-mollom" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-mollom</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ameo</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75846</link>
		<dc:creator>ameo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75846</guid>
		<description>@ Carl Mercier : 
okay , let me first mention that I&#039;m completely objective third party outsider with completely no personal interest in the matter . 

we are talking about the spam stats on defensio user CP not the accuracy measures , offcourse if the spam filters is catching all comments as spam will increase the stats level and won&#039;t be such a good sign . 
i think askimet also has stats 

http://akismet.com/stats/

and it doesn&#039;t require registering or signing in to askimet to show it although it&#039;s not as personal as defensio stats BUT it does the same job and it show how askimet did today globally 

why doesn&#039;t defensio do that ? or simply integrate it into wordpress dashboard .. there is no need to separt the stats from comments moderation  ! 

after i took another look at my defensio installation i did found it pretty cool to sort the spam in the quarantine
but still the basic spam protection , defensio has it to five classes i think 50 , 60 . .. , 100% is a bit OVER . 
if i got it the right way .. 80% spam threshold will  hide a comment with 2 links and some keywords in it and 50 % won&#039;t !? then what is the need of these variation , why don&#039;t defensio just set it&#039;s measures to optimal values that suites every one , and disable this feature
no one loves spam and if some one did then he won&#039;t be even thinking about having any antispam protection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carl Mercier :<br />
okay , let me first mention that I&#8217;m completely objective third party outsider with completely no personal interest in the matter . </p>
<p>we are talking about the spam stats on defensio user CP not the accuracy measures , offcourse if the spam filters is catching all comments as spam will increase the stats level and won&#8217;t be such a good sign .<br />
i think askimet also has stats </p>
<p><a href="http://akismet.com/stats/" rel="nofollow">http://akismet.com/stats/</a></p>
<p>and it doesn&#8217;t require registering or signing in to askimet to show it although it&#8217;s not as personal as defensio stats BUT it does the same job and it show how askimet did today globally </p>
<p>why doesn&#8217;t defensio do that ? or simply integrate it into wordpress dashboard .. there is no need to separt the stats from comments moderation  ! </p>
<p>after i took another look at my defensio installation i did found it pretty cool to sort the spam in the quarantine<br />
but still the basic spam protection , defensio has it to five classes i think 50 , 60 . .. , 100% is a bit OVER .<br />
if i got it the right way .. 80% spam threshold will  hide a comment with 2 links and some keywords in it and 50 % won&#8217;t !? then what is the need of these variation , why don&#8217;t defensio just set it&#8217;s measures to optimal values that suites every one , and disable this feature<br />
no one loves spam and if some one did then he won&#8217;t be even thinking about having any antispam protection</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carl Mercier</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75844</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Mercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75844</guid>
		<description>I think you&#039;re completely missing the point.  The number of spam an anti-spam service catches doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s doing a good job.  What if it catches every legitimate comment as spam?  It&#039;s obviously doing a very poor job even though the spam count might be high.  Only an accuracy statistics will tell you how good we&#039;re doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re completely missing the point.  The number of spam an anti-spam service catches doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s doing a good job.  What if it catches every legitimate comment as spam?  It&#8217;s obviously doing a very poor job even though the spam count might be high.  Only an accuracy statistics will tell you how good we&#8217;re doing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ameo</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75843</link>
		<dc:creator>ameo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75843</guid>
		<description>@ Carl Mercier : 
i agree with all you&#039;ve said other than the stats part . coz it still show no need for users , each day blogger will notice the good work of defensio just through the counter in wordpress dashboard or any other CMS that supports defensio .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carl Mercier :<br />
i agree with all you&#8217;ve said other than the stats part . coz it still show no need for users , each day blogger will notice the good work of defensio just through the counter in wordpress dashboard or any other CMS that supports defensio .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carl Mercier</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75840</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Mercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75840</guid>
		<description>Ameo,

Thanks for your answer.

Statistics is our way of being transparent and telling you exactly how well/bad we&#039;re doing.  As far as I know, we&#039;re the only service that publishes these.  Maybe you don&#039;t find them interesting or useful, but it&#039;s actually one of the biggest selling point for us and most people love this feature.  And we&#039;re not scared of telling the world how good/bad we are, because we believe in our algorithm! ;-)

Saying that spam is black or white couldn&#039;t be farther from the truth in my opinion, and that&#039;s why we perform so much better than the competition: we make that subtle distinction.

For example, on my blog, I&#039;m very strict about who I let comment.  If a guy named &quot;Download Free Music&quot; comments, even if it&#039;s relevant to my post, I&#039;ll flag it as spam because he&#039;s obviously just trying to crank up his Google juice.  However, I know many people who want to have the same comment featured on their blog if the content is relevant, regardless of what the commenter is trying to accomplish.

Defensio learns from those behaviors of yours and will automagically adjust accordingly.  The spaminess ranking is our way of saying what our level of confidence is regarding a given comment.  It allows you to sort spam in a much smarter manner, making comment management a breeze.  No more going through hundreds of pages of spam to find false positives: if there&#039;s any, they&#039;ll just bubble up to the top!  That said, we understand that 85% spaminess doesn&#039;t mean anything to mere mortals, so that&#039;s why we &quot;bucketize&quot; everything as &quot;not very spammy, very spammy, extremely spammy&quot;, etc to make it easier to understand for you.  Machines prefer to sort on numbers, though, so that&#039;s why we return a % value through our API.

The &quot;hide obvious spam&quot; setting doesn&#039;t affect accuracy, it&#039;s just a way to clean up your screen a little bit.  Maybe we could be clearer about what it does...

This discussion is interesting, cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ameo,</p>
<p>Thanks for your answer.</p>
<p>Statistics is our way of being transparent and telling you exactly how well/bad we&#8217;re doing.  As far as I know, we&#8217;re the only service that publishes these.  Maybe you don&#8217;t find them interesting or useful, but it&#8217;s actually one of the biggest selling point for us and most people love this feature.  And we&#8217;re not scared of telling the world how good/bad we are, because we believe in our algorithm! <img src='http://www.pallab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Saying that spam is black or white couldn&#8217;t be farther from the truth in my opinion, and that&#8217;s why we perform so much better than the competition: we make that subtle distinction.</p>
<p>For example, on my blog, I&#8217;m very strict about who I let comment.  If a guy named &#8220;Download Free Music&#8221; comments, even if it&#8217;s relevant to my post, I&#8217;ll flag it as spam because he&#8217;s obviously just trying to crank up his Google juice.  However, I know many people who want to have the same comment featured on their blog if the content is relevant, regardless of what the commenter is trying to accomplish.</p>
<p>Defensio learns from those behaviors of yours and will automagically adjust accordingly.  The spaminess ranking is our way of saying what our level of confidence is regarding a given comment.  It allows you to sort spam in a much smarter manner, making comment management a breeze.  No more going through hundreds of pages of spam to find false positives: if there&#8217;s any, they&#8217;ll just bubble up to the top!  That said, we understand that 85% spaminess doesn&#8217;t mean anything to mere mortals, so that&#8217;s why we &#8220;bucketize&#8221; everything as &#8220;not very spammy, very spammy, extremely spammy&#8221;, etc to make it easier to understand for you.  Machines prefer to sort on numbers, though, so that&#8217;s why we return a % value through our API.</p>
<p>The &#8220;hide obvious spam&#8221; setting doesn&#8217;t affect accuracy, it&#8217;s just a way to clean up your screen a little bit.  Maybe we could be clearer about what it does&#8230;</p>
<p>This discussion is interesting, cheers!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pallab</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75839</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75839</guid>
		<description>Did you try the Wp-Spamfree plugin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you try the Wp-Spamfree plugin?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75838</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75838</guid>
		<description>i don&#039;t much about any of the spam filters.
i think this post help me to solve my spam problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t much about any of the spam filters.<br />
i think this post help me to solve my spam problem</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pallab</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75835</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75835</guid>
		<description>My main issue with Akismet is that it blocks many legitimate comments too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main issue with Akismet is that it blocks many legitimate comments too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pallab</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75834</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75834</guid>
		<description>Actually, that is a feature and a good one. Algorithms are not as skilled at analysis as human minds. So, its not as simple as &quot;Either Spam or not&quot;. They try to gauge the spaminess based on a variety of factors. Defensio allows you to make the filter more strict or loose depending upon whether too many spams are getting through or legitimate comments getting blocked.
One great thing about defensio is that it allows you to arrange comments according to spaminess ratings, making it easier to spot false positives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that is a feature and a good one. Algorithms are not as skilled at analysis as human minds. So, its not as simple as &#8220;Either Spam or not&#8221;. They try to gauge the spaminess based on a variety of factors. Defensio allows you to make the filter more strict or loose depending upon whether too many spams are getting through or legitimate comments getting blocked.<br />
One great thing about defensio is that it allows you to arrange comments according to spaminess ratings, making it easier to spot false positives.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ameo</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75833</link>
		<dc:creator>ameo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75833</guid>
		<description>@ Carl Mercier : 
defensio has strong antispam engine , BUT it has some extra features that won&#039;t be need by most blogger at least 95% won&#039;t be using it  .
and that that spam stats !
no one need to check the spam he got last year or in certain time on the archive ! yes people check their logs daily but logs for good stuff like site hits and PR and even comment amount , but spam stats . just seems over described and when i tested defension i was only logging in defension CP just for getting APIs and that is it , 

the second point i want to talk about is the acuracy ratio 
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9686/20080701115332tg0.png

all i know about comments is that it has only 2 faces 

Spam and legitimate comments , 

there is no 50 percent spam or 90 % spam it&#039;s either spam or not , 
that issue really got me confused first time i installed defensio , i didn&#039;t know what value should i use so i used what you adviced 80 % 

------ ------- ------- -------- ------- -------</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carl Mercier :<br />
defensio has strong antispam engine , BUT it has some extra features that won&#8217;t be need by most blogger at least 95% won&#8217;t be using it  .<br />
and that that spam stats !<br />
no one need to check the spam he got last year or in certain time on the archive ! yes people check their logs daily but logs for good stuff like site hits and PR and even comment amount , but spam stats . just seems over described and when i tested defension i was only logging in defension CP just for getting APIs and that is it , </p>
<p>the second point i want to talk about is the acuracy ratio<br />
<a href="http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9686/20080701115332tg0.png" rel="nofollow">http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9686/20080701115332tg0.png</a></p>
<p>all i know about comments is that it has only 2 faces </p>
<p>Spam and legitimate comments , </p>
<p>there is no 50 percent spam or 90 % spam it&#8217;s either spam or not ,<br />
that issue really got me confused first time i installed defensio , i didn&#8217;t know what value should i use so i used what you adviced 80 % </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212; &#8212;&#8212;- &#8212;&#8212;- &#8212;&#8212;&#8211; &#8212;&#8212;- &#8212;&#8212;-</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: narendra.s.v</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75829</link>
		<dc:creator>narendra.s.v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75829</guid>
		<description>oh this is better than Akismet :O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh this is better than Akismet :O</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75827</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75827</guid>
		<description>I sitll think akismet rocks
till now not more than 2 spams have gone out of its box :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sitll think akismet rocks<br />
till now not more than 2 spams have gone out of its box <img src='http://www.pallab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carl Mercier</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75826</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Mercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75826</guid>
		<description>Why do you think Defensio is complicated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think Defensio is complicated?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ameo</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75825</link>
		<dc:creator>ameo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75825</guid>
		<description>js might carry some bad  security risks and it some times faster to browse without , 
and simply enable for the site that tells me it need it urgently</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>js might carry some bad  security risks and it some times faster to browse without ,<br />
and simply enable for the site that tells me it need it urgently</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pallab</title>
		<link>http://www.pallab.net/2008/07/01/wp-spamfree-banish-comment-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-75823</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pallab.net/?p=176#comment-75823</guid>
		<description>Why do you have js disabled? Its much better to disable specific funtionalities (as opera allows you to), or to disable js on specific websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you have js disabled? Its much better to disable specific funtionalities (as opera allows you to), or to disable js on specific websites.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
